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    Posted By: ToiletWallPoet
    Posted By: azel"On whose behalf are you offended by it would be my question".

    Exactly this. Too many people in these times being offended on other people's behalf.


    There are still plenty of people with physical disfigurement alive today. It's not really just about Merrick himself. If, for the sake of argument, the album cover was mocking disfigured people, would you not find that immoral?


    It’s not though is it? It’s clearly John Merrick

    As the father of a son with clear physical and learning disabilities (Downs Syndrome) this is an area I’m pretty sensitive about and if I thought this particular piece of art was mocking people with disabilities generally I’d be over this like stink on shit. In an age when there is increased sensitivity about race, religion and gender issues people with disabilities are not given the same consideration. For example people still seem to be able use words like retard, libtard, fucktard with impunity. I find these words incredibly offensive and find them as disgusting as people do the “N” word (and rightly so). But it still happens without apparent censure
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    Posted By: carlos fandangoIt’s not though is it? It’s clearly John Merrick

    As the father of a son with clear physical and learning disabilities (Downs Syndrome) this is an area I’m pretty sensitive about and if I thought this particular piece of art was mocking people with disabilities generally I’d be over this like stink on shit. In an age when there is increased sensitivity about race, religion and gender issues people with disabilities are not given the same consideration. For example people still seem to be able use words like retard, libtard, fucktard with impunity. I find these words incredibly offensive and find them as disgusting as people do the “N” word (and rightly so). But it still happens without apparent censure


    Again, I wasn't saying this piece is mocking Merrick. That was just a hypothetical to explain the point that something doesn't have to be directed at you personally for you to have a right to be offended by it.

    For example, mocking a specific individual for, say, being overweight also hurts other overweight people. It's reinforcing the idea that being overweight makes you lesser. Yes, it's an attack on an individual, but also for a characteristic they have and likely share with other people.

    I do think we're approaching a change in attitudes about people with disabilities. You see people calling out the use of "-tard" words as ableist more often these days, but there is definitely a long way to go.
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      AC/DC rock music: azel
    • Apr 12th 2021
     
    "There are still plenty of people with physical disfigurement alive today. It's not really just about Merrick himself. If, for the sake of argument, the album cover was mocking disfigured people, would you not find that immoral?"

    Absolutely, but it isn't.
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      AC/DC rock music: Thankass
    • Apr 12th 2021
     
    Merrick is/was a well known historic figure due to his disfigure. He is put on the cover because he is a well known figure.
    If they would have placed a random disformed person on the cover just for the sake of it, it would have made no sense and could be seen as offensive.
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    I am offended that people are offended

    Seriously, the world is just stupid right now (maybe always)
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      AC/DC rock music: angus1878
    • May 12th 2021
     
    interview with Matt Berry

    Tell us about the front cover. That’s your artwork. Do you have an obsession with the Elephant Man, or his story?

    It’s not really the Elephant Man, although I am interested in the Elephant Man, but it’s more about being looked at and being stared at. It feeds into that… That’s the point of it.


    And where does that come from? Is that because you feel a bit like that, now that you’re quite a well known figure?

    Well… The intentions of getting into something, personally, are never about those kinds of things… The trappings of it. The only thing I wanted to do was either to play my guitar, or dick about in comedy for money, so I didn’t have to get any kind of normal job. That’s alway been my sole motivation, to get away with this for as long as I could, so I didn’t have to go back to telesales. And the world that we’re in now is very unforgiving of people that are well known. It’s all that kind of stuff, I mean I never want to explain this kind of thing too much, because it’s up to other people to get what they want from the imagery.
    • AC/DC rock music: Richraff
    • May 12th 2021
     
    Hopefully we'll never see the giant blow-up Rosie again at a DC gig. I simply wouldn't be able to enjoy the live music due to worrying about the offense it could be causing all the fatty-fat-fats at the concert.
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    I’m beginning to think you might be obsessed by this non story. Literally not seen it mentioned anywhere else but here
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    Oha, had to look up Wikipedia for "Elephant Man".
    Actually, the post of carlos fandango made me doing it,
    before all mentioned names were unknown to me,
    and I considered it just a style of art,
    like The Scream by Munch.



    Citing Wikipedia :
    "
    The Scream is the popular name given to a composition created by Norwegian Expressionist artist Edvard Munch in 1893. The original German title given by Munch to his work was Der Schrei der Natur (The Scream of Nature), and the Norwegian title is Skrik (Shriek). The agonised face in the painting has become one of the most iconic images of art, seen as symbolising the anxiety of the human condition.
    "
    https://en.m.wikiped...

    Honestly, just looking without any pre-knowledge
    neutral at the picture, it is not my taste,
    to me it is actually ugliest piece of **** .
    Would have had difficulties to disagree during
    the German troubled times, when such was considered
    "Degenerate Art".

    Nonetheless not wanting to kick when you're down
    and wish disabled people all the best and health.

    The problem is, somehow one does not see disabled
    people anymore, except for occassional wheelchair people.

    Such with Down Syndrome just vanish out of the memory,
    and people after a while forget about it,
    likely leading them writing unfitting comments.
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    ^ I think your heart is in the right place but not sure what you mean by "one does not see disabled people anymore"? Where do you live?? Also I'm pretty certain "wheelchair people" is not the preferred nomenclature and some (not me,) might take offence :)
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    ^ Sorry, English tongue is not my native Mother's tongue,
    School English might be a little rusty,
    also due to too little practice,
    theter might be little outdated in regards to new technologies,
    mixed with they Shakespeare's spelling,
    sometimes might play with wordings,
    and, of course, the usual suspects as
    intentional and unintentional typos.

    Hope, it is still de-cypherable, never understood
    the way of life to not use upper case for nouns,
    might forget temporarily that Englisch is still
    a little different, than it's Anglo roots, last
    I think mixed Ziting and Citing, ....

    Guess, you can roughly immagine,
    what I want to express .... :)
    • AC/DC rock music: jonnya
    • Jun 3rd 2021
     
    Posted By: RichraffHopefully we'll never see the giant blow-up Rosie again at a DC gig. I simply wouldn't be able to enjoy the live music due to worrying about the offense it could be causing all the fatty-fat-fats at the concert.


    I find the inflatable rosie very sexy - think its the lingerie
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    Hmmm ....

    Read the News back on this site.
    Phill Rudd once made some charity event
    for the Christchurch Earthquake.

    Why not having AC/DC some charity concert
    before they wholly greet the holy ghostly spirit
    inside the eternal hunting grounds of valhalla and beyond ?

    They might otherwise have to ride on the track
    for having to greet the infamous honourable Mrs. Hel and Mr. Hades.

    Who wants that ?

    We have a fun-rock combo here, named Torfrock.
    They celebrate each year the "Bagaluten Wiehnacht",
    which translates somehow "Bums Christmass" in Dezember.

    Couldn't AC/DC not do such each Easter ?


    Bagaluten Wiehnacht :


    The Funeral :


    Electrician :


    Again, also nice pictures combined :

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