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    Posted By: 900
    Posted By: MyCubiclePenguinI suppose that reverb gives the illusion of quietness, because I can’t hear Brian’s original vocals as much as I can whatever effects they added to it. The whole thing’s a mess.


    I find it a bit odd, but not a mess. I enjoy its weirdness, it's not annoying like BUYV is at times, mired in mud.

    That vocal sound kind of *is* Fly On The Wall. What bothers me more is the strange lack of bass.
    I share that sympathy on the guitar side of things - never had they been so roaring and unpleasant, so that’s a big plus in the whole untamed vibe that the record has, but I also feel that Brian’s unaltered voice at the time had plenty of grit that would work on the record as it was.
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    I really have no idea to this day what change in voice for BUYV people are talking about. I would say that's one of the few times his voice didn't change noticeably between albums. I mean, he's not quite belting like he was on FOTW, but that's all delivery. He sounds identical to WMW, with that more laid back, soulful and charismatic delivery. Come to think of it, his sense of humor and line delivery on BUYV is the closest he ever came to Bon's charm and charisma.

    But as far as vocal changes, he changed immediately with FTATR if you think about it. The banshee wails of BIB are largely gone and his voice is way more raspy. FOTS was mostly the same as FTATR. Then of course FOTW, he gets even more raspy and loses more high end range, but still sounds powerful. WMW and BUYV discussed above. TRE is the biggest change, arguably. He's much thicker and raspier than ever. I guess I would say he's also more dry and of course the delivery is just all-out belting. His peak of power, IMO. BB comes and he's even dryer, much more worn and weathered but still belting his ass off. SUL remains surprisingly similar to BB but he is shot on the tour. BI, he has surgery to remove nodules and he's cleaner than ever since BIB. Much more thin and kind of nasally. I haven't really liked his voice as much since then.
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    • Oct 29th 2019
     
    Huge change between FOTW and BUYV to my ears - his 'tone' of voice changed (a simplistic term, really) and his middle-range (high for most singers) was affected by nodules or scar tissue. There's nothing like that rattling voice of Go Zone on FOTW (though there were a few hints of it), but I didn't mind it, I thought it suited the songs.

    WMW to me sounds exactly like what it was, the mid-point between FOTW and BUYV in terms of how he sounded.
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    There is a massive change between Who Made Who and Video, in fact his vocals from Video onward are where "phase 2" began as I like to call it. He sounds the same on Video and TRE, how you don't hear it is a little bit beyond me.

    His voice took on the raspier rougher sound from '88 to around '01, before be entered "phase 3", 2003 to now he got a bit more clarity and smoothness back.
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      AC/DC rock music: BallToucher
    • Oct 29th 2019 edited
     
    Posted By: DoinNothingMeansALotBut as far as vocal changes, he changed immediately with FTATR if you think about it.


    Agreed. By Flick of The Switch, BIB's Brian was gone. Was it still good? Of course. Was it still fucking amazing great? Granted. But not as good as in BIB. Different, meaner, raspier. Some people liked him better after BIB, to me BIB is unbeatable in terms of hard rock singing.

    To be fair, I don´t think Brian has ever sounded the same on two records. It's part of his charm. Biggest change came between Fly and Video. Maybe on Ice and Bust he sounded pretty much the same, but that's it.
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    Posted By: 900WMW to me sounds exactly like what it was, the mid-point between FOTW and BUYV


    Also agreed.
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      AC/DC rock music: BallToucher
    • Oct 29th 2019 edited
     
    Oh, and then there's BIG GUN, on which he sounds nothing like Edge or BB.


    The closest he's ever sounded as in Flick, if ya ask me. TERMINATOOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRGGGGH UZI MAKEEEEEEEEEEERS GONNA PICKR YOU LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATEEEEEEEEEEER BLARGH! Man, that intensity.

    I love Brian Johnson.
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    Posted By: BallToucher
    To be fair, I don´t think Brian has ever sounded the same on two records.

    Ding ding ding!
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      AC/DC rock music: Thankass
    • Oct 29th 2019
     
    Brian's voice is one of the hardest voices in the business to produce imo.
    Mutt and B'oB got the best out of him. Probably by giving him lots of rest and only doing one line at the time and choose the best take.
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    • Oct 29th 2019
     
    Posted By: BallToucherTo be fair, I don´t think Brian has ever sounded the same on two records.


    Indeed. And to my sun-dried tomato ears he already sounded somewhat different on FTATR compared to BIB. More of a rattling edge going on as opposed to the more easy, natural rasp on BIB.

    On FOTS, they did all the vocals consecutively, and I think you can hear Brian has a little less stamina on a few songs. Whereas on other songs he sounds more at ease, wailing away like a whiskey-soaked demon. He just sounds so immense on that album.

    And yeah he was ace on Big Gun, I always thought he sounded more like the earlier days on that, his voice seemed more natural again after TRE where he sounded quite different.
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    Posted By: 900Huge change between FOTW and BUYV to my ears - his 'tone' of voice changed (a simplistic term, really) and his middle-range (high for most singers) was affected by nodules or scar tissue. There's nothing like that rattling voice of Go Zone on FOTW (though there were a few hints of it), but I didn't mind it, I thought it suited the songs.

    WMW to me sounds exactly like what it was, the mid-point between FOTW and BUYV in terms of how he sounded.

    I totally agree with this, as I also stated myself several times.

    Posted By: nitroangus23There is a massive change between Who Made Who and Video, in fact his vocals from Video onward are where "phase 2" began as I like to call it. He sounds the same on Video and TRE, how you don't hear it is a little bit beyond me.

    His voice took on the raspier rougher sound from '88 to around '01, before be entered "phase 3", 2003 to now he got a bit more clarity and smoothness back.

    I also use to split his vocals in phases like these, I'd say it's pretty accurate.
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    I've been reading the book "AC/DC In The Studio" these days and it's a very interesting read for a number of reasons, including the BIB lyrics topic we were talking about in another thread. But here's some excerpts of what they said in regards to FOTW production:

    "As for the musical approach for the new project, Angus explained to Metal CD that he felt he and Malcolm could best capture on tape the sounds they were hearing in their heads. ‘We wanted to pick it up a bit more for this album, so we tried our hands at producing it ourselves again, but putting some more time and thought into what we were doing instead of just taping ourselves.’
    Remembering an easy-going environment during recording, engineer Dearnley felt that ‘Angus and Malcolm producing was absolutely fine, because everybody in the band knew their roles, so there weren’t any heads butting. I felt part of that team in exactly the same manner as the band – I knew what they did, they knew what I did – and so there was never that conflict. Everybody respected each other’s jobs.’"

    "With tracking under way in the casino ballroom annexe at Mountain Studios, Dearnley described the continuity between the ‘ambient feel we were going for and the very ambient room’ in which the band was tracking. ‘The miking set-up was pretty much the same as past albums I’d done with the band. The whole AC/DC thing with the drums are kick and snare, and there’s not really room for the drummer to be clever, or rarely – he’s just part of the steam engine cranking forward. I remember, after the second day of tracking, Simon got shouted at for putting in a drum fill, but that was about it.’"

    Upon wrapping production, the band seemed happy with an album but for the first time in the band’s career critics and fans would feel a bit less impassioned about it. The Village Voice concluded that Fly on the Wall was ‘an unremarkable but hardly terrible AC/DC album’, while Billboard magazine – in a barely complimentary tone – noted that ‘as with nearly every AC/DC album, there are a few good songs, notably “Shake Your Foundations” and “Sink the Pink”’. By contrast, the Miami New Times celebrated these two singles as ‘among the most killer songs the band has ever recorded’ and hailed the album as ‘Goddamn awesome’.
    The band seemed to take a philosophical stance on this mixed reception, with Angus reasoning in an interview with Guitar Player that ‘everybody goes up and down. We just try to play our music and not worry about anything else. Back in Black is our most successful album in the States so many of our fans base their expectations on that. But we were around long before Back in Black. In America people tend to associate wealth with success, whereas in other parts of the world success has more to do with making something that satisfies you.’
    Mark Dearnley offered the further observation that ‘it’s the classic thing where the band had had two mega-multi-platinum sellers back to back with Highway to Hell and Back in Black, which itself had sold almost 20 million copies by that point I think. Against that backdrop, a single- or double-platinum seller after that is regarded as a bit of a failure.’

    So it doesn't seem like the band didn't knew what they were doing or anything like that, they seemed pretty much satisfied about the final result.
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    • Oct 29th 2019
     
    Cheers, Venom Injector - really interesting.

    BoL - Simon got shouted at for adding a drum fill!

    The comment ‘ambient feel we were going for and the very ambient room’ aligns with how I've always felt about the production and mix. It's supposed to sound direct, but with a slightly live feel, so you can feel the air in the room, the drums at some distance as well as close-miked etc. Some of the kick drums remind me a little of some Led Zep sounds.
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    Haha: "I remember, after the second day of tracking, Simon got shouted at for putting in a drum fill, but that was about it." This was the beginning of Simon becoming bored.
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    The more I listen to it, I can definitely hear more similarities between BUYV and TRE Brian than I can FOTW and BUYV Brian. BUYV is a sort of in between stage, though it's closer to TRE voice than I thought it was. Still not as hoarse as TRE, but that also has to do with Brian simply not singing as high on BUYV. WMW isn't quite BIB, but it's definitely far from TRE.
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    Posted By: MyCubiclePenguinThe more I listen to it, I can definitely hear more similarities between BUYV and TRE Brian than I can FOTW and BUYV Brian. BUYV is a sort of in between stage, though it's closer to TRE voice than I thought it was. Still not as hoarse as TRE, but that also has to do with Brian simply not singing as high on BUYV. WMW isn't quite BIB, but it's definitely far from TRE.

    Of course, the change between FOTW and BUYV was noticeable. WMW was in between and it sounds like it, more similar to FOTW vocals, but still a step behind. BUYV was Brian transitioning to a new vocal standard, and it shows; TRE and everything afterwards showed a different vocal approach but IMO still better than BUYV, which just sounded like a hoarse version of his previous self. In regards to TRE, there's this anecdote I read recently:

    "‘Well, when Brian started singing, we quickly discovered that the keys of the songs were in the wrong key for him, so we started re-recording the guitars on them to change the key and bring it down a whole step. Well, the band liked the sound and process of that better than what they already had tracked, so we wound up doing everything again, down to even cutting two or three more drum tracks with Chris. We kept a lot of the basic bed drum tracks.’"
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    • Oct 30th 2019
     
    Posted By: Venom InjectorWell, when Brian started singing, we quickly discovered that the keys of the songs were in the wrong key for him


    That's never made any sense to me, because the band have always written in various keys A, E, B etc. And Brian's range is such that if Y&Y had a vocal melody in line that was too high even for Brian, the an octave down would surely have been perfectly normal? I've always been curious about this.

    And aside from anything else, though his voice had changed a bit, his range was still the same as it had been previously. Insane high notes on songs like Thunderstruck and Goodbye and Good Riddance, and on something like Fire Your Guns, blasting along on a high E for the whole song, FOTS style..
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    Posted By: BallToucherOh, and then there's BIG GUN, on which he sounds nothing like Edge or BB.


    The closest he's ever sounded as in Flick, if ya ask me. TERMINATOOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRGGGGH UZI MAKEEEEEEEEEEERS GONNA PICKR YOU LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATEEEEEEEEEEER BLARGH! Man, that intensity.

    I love Brian Johnson.


    Me too. All eras are great to varying degrees. Big Gun is awesome also.

    Posted By: matirocker
    Posted By: BallToucher
    To be fair, I don´t think Brian has ever sounded the same on two records.

    Ding ding ding!


    Have to agree with that, he hasn't sounded quite the same on 2 records ever.


    Video and TRE sound pretty similar to my ears, difference is one is burried under a mountain of cotton balls and the other is sharp as a knife.I would say Black Ice to ROB are also pretty similar, but really he always has some sort of color to his vocals every record that help define that point in time for the band.


    Fly On The Wall is far from Back In Black vocally, however it isn't as far off as TRE is, which is why Who Made Who is so interesting to me. You really can hear bits of his earlier sound meshing with the later era. That recording and tour both are really interesting to listen too.


    The LIVE record is a great way to analyze it. Listening to Who Made Who live in '91 is way different than in '86.
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    Posted By: 900
    Posted By: Venom InjectorWell, when Brian started singing, we quickly discovered that the keys of the songs were in the wrong key for him


    That's never made any sense to me, because the band have always written in various keys A, E, B etc. And Brian's range is such that if Y&Y had a vocal melody in line that was too high even for Brian, the an octave down would surely have been perfectly normal? I've always been curious about this.

    And aside from anything else, though his voice had changed a bit, his range was still the same as it had been previously. Insane high notes on songs like Thunderstruck and Goodbye and Good Riddance, and on something like Fire Your Guns, blasting along on a high E for the whole song, FOTS style..

    Yeah it's a bit of a strange thing to say, I'm not really sure what he meant. It's not about tuning but about the key in which the songs were played, which is pretty weird. Maybe some songs were written, let's say, in A and they were too high for Brian so they moved them down to E, or something like that. Still, they sound pretty high the whole time, so it makes me wonder how were those before X-D
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      AC/DC rock music: marcinha
    • Oct 30th 2019
     
    Posted By: BallToucher
    Posted By: 900WMW to me sounds exactly like what it was, the mid-point between FOTW and BUYV


    Also agreed.

    Not FOTS-FOTW rather?
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    Stand Up is in the key of D (minor) if I remember correctly which is an unusual key for AC/DC. I think Send For The Man also is in the key of D.
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    Posted By: Venom Injector
    "‘Well, when Brian started singing, we quickly discovered that the keys of the songs were in the wrong key for him, so we started re-recording the guitars on them to change the key and bring it down a whole step. Well, the band liked the sound and process of that better than what they already had tracked, so we wound up doing everything again, down to even cutting two or three more drum tracks with Chris. We kept a lot of the basic bed drum tracks.’"


    That seems doubtful. They're suggesting Thunderstruck was originally in the key of C#? How would Angus play the main riff, which requires open string root notes when there is no open C# string?

    Posted By: nitroangus23There is a massive change between Who Made Who and Video, in fact his vocals from Video onward are where "phase 2" began as I like to call it. He sounds the same on Video and TRE, how you don't hear it is a little bit beyond me.

    His voice took on the raspier rougher sound from '88 to around '01, before be entered "phase 3", 2003 to now he got a bit more clarity and smoothness back.


    The same on Video and TRE?! He doesn't even sound like the same person on TRE. I remember thinking he was almost unrecognizable with the change in TRE. How you don't hear THAT is beyond me.

    And if you've got BUYV and SUL in the same phase... IDK what to say. These would be the phases in my mind:

    Phase 1: BIB-FOTS
    Phase 2: FOTW-BUYV
    Phase 3: TRE
    Phase 4: BB-SUL
    Phase 5: BI-ROB

    Posted By: 900Huge change between FOTW and BUYV to my ears - his 'tone' of voice changed (a simplistic term, really) and his middle-range (high for most singers) was affected by nodules or scar tissue. There's nothing like that rattling voice of Go Zone on FOTW (though there were a few hints of it), but I didn't mind it, I thought it suited the songs.

    WMW to me sounds exactly like what it was, the mid-point between FOTW and BUYV in terms of how he sounded.


    You know what, the reverb really smoothed out Brian's voice on FOTW. I think you're all forgetting how rough his voice was once cleaned up on SYF for WMW. It sounded just like in Go Zone.

    Posted By: BallToucherOh, and then there's BIG GUN, on which he sounds nothing like Edge or BB.


    The closest he's ever sounded as in Flick, if ya ask me. TERMINATOOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRGGGGH UZI MAKEEEEEEEEEEERS GONNA PICKR YOU LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATEEEEEEEEEEER BLARGH! Man, that intensity.


    Nothing like either? Closest to Flick?!?!? What are you smoking? It sounds like the logical mix between TRE and BB. The "Uzi makers" sounds like TRE while the "blargh" is total BB.
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    I just had the occult symbolism of the FOTW cover art explained to me by a youtube commenter.

    “The eyeball in the wall. Its occult symbolism. The word occult derived from occulus meaning “eye”. Occult means “hidden” or “secret”. It all has to do with the pineal gland and the 2 hemispheres of the human brain. When both hemisphere are aligned with each other, enlightenment is obtained.”

    I think I get it now - Angus and Mal put these sort of symbols in their cover art as to prevent insane people from buying their records and attending their concerts - someone could get hurt!

    Wonder how NickOfTime is doing.
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    • Oct 30th 2019
     
    Posted By: DoinNothingMeansALotThey're suggesting Thunderstruck was originally in the key of C#? How would Angus play the main riff, which requires open string root notes when there is no open C# string?


    I thought the same, it's not logical. I suppose it's possible Y&Y had some choruses with a crazy high F# or G being sustained impossibly long, and an octave down might have been lower (and therefore less impactful) than the verses, but I'm clutching at straws. Whole thing makes no sense.

    Posted By: DoinNothingMeansALotThe same on Video and TRE?! He doesn't even sound like the same person on TRE. I remember thinking he was almost unrecognizable with the change in TRE. How you don't hear THAT is beyond me.


    I think you might be on your own island here. TRE is more extreme in terms of the evolution of his voice, but absolutely I hear it same as Nitro, it was a progression from BUYV - the tone, the way he shaped notes differently.

    Posted By: DoinNothingMeansALotYou know what, the reverb really smoothed out Brian's voice on FOTW. I think you're all forgetting how rough his voice was once cleaned up on SYF for WMW. It sounded just like in Go Zone.


    It was the wrong choice of effect to smooth out the rough edges. A subtle delay is the thing to use for that purpose. Something like Go Zone illustrated the roughness in Brian's "mid" range (quotes because that's high range for most singers). SYF was just normal high end Brian, I don't hear it as all that rough compared to previous, I think he sounds awesome.
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    Posted By: 900
    I think you might be on your own island here. TRE is more extreme in terms of the evolution of his voice, but absolutely I hear it same as Nitro, it was a progression from BUYV - the tone, the way he shaped notes differently.


    See, that's just it; it's not only his vocal tone, but his singing style that was still the same as before on BUYV, because he was still doing that soulful stuff like Go Zone "Why, we're on the same street, baby" wheres TRE was just belting power which he continued ostensibly until BI brought back the soul.

    Posted By: DoinNothingMeansALotYou know what, the reverb really smoothed out Brian's voice on FOTW. I think you're all forgetting how rough his voice was once cleaned up on SYF for WMW. It sounded just like in Go Zone.


    It was the wrong choice of effect to smooth out the rough edges. A subtle delay is the thing to use for that purpose. Something like Go Zone illustrated the roughness in Brian's "mid" range (quotes because that's high range for most singers). SYF was just normal high end Brian, I don't hear it as all that rough compared to previous, I think he sounds awesome.


    To be clear, I'm talking about the verses in SYF, not the chorus. When he sings "We had the night, we had the time", it's that same midrange as the verses in Go Zone. In fact, I'd say if anything his voice was more rough in FOTW once you hear it without the reverb.

    Seriously, go find the WMW mix if you can (it's taken off Youtube apparently) and compare back to back.
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    • Oct 30th 2019 edited
     
    Posted By: DoinNothingMeansALotSee, that's just it; it's not only his vocal tone, but his singing style that was still the same as before on BUYV, because he was still doing that soulful stuff like Go Zone "Why, we're on the same street, baby" wheres TRE was just belting power which he continued ostensibly until BI brought back the soul.


    I get your point but there's some less intense stuff on TRE as well; Mistress For Christmas has a great, soulful vocal, Moneytalks is a little like Slade, the verses to Are You Ready... Also there's some pretty measured vocals on side A of SUL...Hold Me Back, for example. The title track is a great vocal in a more bluesy, lazy style as well.

    Posted By: DoinNothingMeansALotSeriously, go find the WMW mix if you can (it's taken off Youtube apparently) and compare back to back.


    I've got it. I don't think the remix is that good. A strange, distant reverb on the vocal is neither here nor there, but I don't think it sounds rough. Agree to disagree on this one, I think Go Zone was an example of a major change in his voice. I liked it, but I understand not everyone did.
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    I'm not saying the remix is good, I prefer the original despite its flaws. But cleaning up the vocals and bringing them right up front really shows how rough his voice was. Reverb naturally smooths out his voice because it fills in the cracks with reverberations of the sound. Frankly, as soon as I heard the remix, I was shocked at how rough his voice sounded. It's undeniable IMO...
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    Posted By: DoinNothingMeansALot
    And if you've got BUYV and SUL in the same phase... IDK what to say. These would be the phases in my mind:

    Phase 1: BIB-FOTS
    Phase 2: FOTW-BUYV
    Phase 3: TRE
    Phase 4: BB-SUL
    Phase 5: BI-ROB


    I only consider large changes, there are 3 notable big eras in my mind.

    Whilst no 2 records are exact, as noted by previous comments, largely the biggest change in his vocals occurred in '88,and '03 after his initial 1980 onward vocals began to wear.

    His voice had some troubles in the earlier 80's,from exhaustion/and trying to match his insane studio levels but I don't consider his voice on Flick or even Fly to be miles off Back In Black as far as tone goes. He still sounded like himself more or less in those first 6 years. In 1988 his voice made a significant change, and on The Razors Edge you can hear it clearly, he sounds way different there than he does on Back In Black/FTATR/Flick/Fly.

    When I lump Video and SUL together,I am doing so in the same broad way as I am Back In Black and Fly, of course there are differences that can be found(he was on another level in 1980) but largely it's not really a massive change,he has a lot of the same qualities on SUL and he did during 1988. That rougher more ragged range, he was not as clear or as sharp as he was on his earlier works.On Video and TRE he had way more lung power left, by Ballbreaker he was getting more worn,although still strong,his age was getting to him. Same for SUL, towards the end of that tour his vocals were at their "worst" imo. He looked like he was in pain trying to get the notes out. Enter phase 3, starting with the club gigs in '03, he started to gain a bit of clarity back in the upper range and he sounded much less shredded and rough on comparison. His voice changed again,for the better. The down tuning also helped him maintain himself longer through out the tour,in fact he sounded pretty solid at that last gig in Bilbao 2010 on the Black Ice tour compared to the end of the SUL tour in '01.

    Break it up how ever you like, but there is no way I hear his vocals from '88 sounding like anything he did prior. Massive difference to 1980 through 1986.
    • AC/DC rock music: 900
    • Oct 31st 2019
     
    Posted By: DoinNothingMeansALotI'm not saying the remix is good, I prefer the original despite its flaws. But cleaning up the vocals and bringing them right up front really shows how rough his voice was. Reverb naturally smooths out his voice because it fills in the cracks with reverberations of the sound. Frankly, as soon as I heard the remix, I was shocked at how rough his voice sounded. It's undeniable IMO...


    I'm not trying to disagree for the sake of it, but I've just listened again and I almost have an opposite view. The clearer vocal makes me wonder what the fuck they were trying to cover up, he sounds great. There is more of a rusty gargoyle edge than on FOTS, but as Nitro says, his tone generally sounds like the previous Brian up to that point.

    The type of reverb on FOTW wasn't good for smoothing it out. A simple, gentle delay is needed, which is what they did on the remix but to my ears it's too low, too distant.

    I've perhaps been a bit unfair to that remix. Listening again just now, it's not bad. But a bit of an opportunity missed.

    The more I listen to FOTW after all these years, the more I like it how it is. I just turn the bass right up.
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    Posted By: 900
    Posted By: DoinNothingMeansALotI'm not saying the remix is good, I prefer the original despite its flaws. But cleaning up the vocals and bringing them right up front really shows how rough his voice was. Reverb naturally smooths out his voice because it fills in the cracks with reverberations of the sound. Frankly, as soon as I heard the remix, I was shocked at how rough his voice sounded. It's undeniable IMO...


    I'm not trying to disagree for the sake of it, but I've just listened again and I almost have an opposite view. The clearer vocal makes me wonder what the fuck they were trying to cover up, he sounds great. There is more of a rusty gargoyle edge than on FOTS, but as Nitro says, his tone generally sounds like the previous Brian up to that point.

    The type of reverb on FOTW wasn't good for smoothing it out. A simple, gentle delay is needed, which is what they did on the remix but to my ears it's too low, too distant.

    I've perhaps been a bit unfair to that remix. Listening again just now, it's not bad. But a bit of an opportunity missed.

    The more I listen to FOTW after all these years, the more I like it how it is. I just turn the bass right up.

    Agreed! Also, the reverb/delay thing seems to slightly change from a song to the other. Vocals on "Danger" for instance sound definitely clearer than on other songs (great performance, btw).
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    IDK, I think you guys are crazy, but I will give FOTW and BUYV a back-to-back when I get a chance.

    Posted By: Venom Injector
    Agreed! Also, the reverb/delay thing seems to slightly change from a song to the other. Vocals on "Danger" for instance sound definitely clearer than on other songs (great performance, btw).


    Now this I agree with. FOTW was not the most consistent production throughout. Some songs like Danger have the vocals nearly at a proper volume, and others like the title track are just buried 6 feet under! Which isn't a surprise really for amateurs like Ang and Mal. First Blood sounds better than most of the others as well.
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    Posted By: nitroangus23
    Posted By: DoinNothingMeansALot
    And if you've got BUYV and SUL in the same phase... IDK what to say. These would be the phases in my mind:

    Phase 1: BIB-FOTS
    Phase 2: FOTW-BUYV
    Phase 3: TRE
    Phase 4: BB-SUL
    Phase 5: BI-ROB


    I only consider large changes, there are 3 notable big eras in my mind.

    Whilst no 2 records are exact, as noted by previous comments, largely the biggest change in his vocals occurred in '88,and '03 after his initial 1980 onward vocals began to wear.

    His voice had some troubles in the earlier 80's,from exhaustion/and trying to match his insane studio levels but I don't consider his voice on Flick or even Fly to be miles off Back In Black as far as tone goes. He still sounded like himself more or less in those first 6 years. In 1988 his voice made a significant change, and on The Razors Edge you can hear it clearly, he sounds way different there than he does on Back In Black/FTATR/Flick/Fly.

    When I lump Video and SUL together,I am doing so in the same broad way as I am Back In Black and Fly, of course there are differences that can be found(he was on another level in 1980) but largely it's not really a massive change,he has a lot of the same qualities on SUL and he did during 1988. That rougher more ragged range, he was not as clear or as sharp as he was on his earlier works.On Video and TRE he had way more lung power left, by Ballbreaker he was getting more worn,although still strong,his age was getting to him. Same for SUL, towards the end of that tour his vocals were at their "worst" imo. He looked like he was in pain trying to get the notes out. Enter phase 3, starting with the club gigs in '03, he started to gain a bit of clarity back in the upper range and he sounded much less shredded and rough on comparison. His voice changed again,for the better. The down tuning also helped him maintain himself longer through out the tour,in fact he sounded pretty solid at that last gig in Bilbao 2010 on the Black Ice tour compared to the end of the SUL tour in '01.

    Break it up how ever you like, but there is no way I hear his vocals from '88 sounding like anything he did prior. Massive difference to 1980 through 1986.


    This is spot on
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      AC/DC rock music: DustDevil
    • Nov 2nd 2019 edited
     
    ^Aye.

    I've heard live recordings from the BUYV tour where he sounded just like TRE. I'm guessing that was later in the tour. Be interesting to compare early BUYV tour recordings to late BUYV tour recordings....

    He definitely has adjusted his technique over the years to facilitate.
  22.  
    Exactly, Brian is usually the give away on the bootlegs to the year if not correctly labeled.

    I have had a number of Who Made Who era bootlegs with '88 era recordings mistakenly mixed into them and they stand out like a sore thumb.
  23.  
    They should have done a live album round FOTS tour. Live is good but voice hedin South on TRE tour
  24.  
    Posted By: ianbigmacThey should have done a live album round FOTS tour. Live is good but voice hedin South on TRE tour

    Apparently there were plans for a live-album but have been scrapped for some reason. The soundboard recordings from that tour kick ass, so I imagine with some of the usual studio adjusments we would now have had a great live-album. Also the setlists were really good around that time.
  25.  
    Brian sounded great on the album for FOTS, but on the tour he was seriously struggling. Are we forgetting the rehearsals?
  26.  
    He wasn't totally burned every gig. He still had some good nights on tour.

    I wish they had done a live record compiled from gigs spanning through '83 to '86. Would have been fantastic to have some Flick and Fly era tunes on a live album.
  27.  
    Posted By: DoinNothingMeansALotBrian sounded great on the album for FOTS, but on the tour he was seriously struggling. Are we forgetting the rehearsals?


    He sounded perfectly fine at the actual gigs. It's only the rehearsals that he sounds bad on. I have a ton of bootlegs from the Flick tour and he doesn't sound bad on any of them (except the rehearsals).
  28.  
    Posted By: ShootToThrill
    Posted By: DoinNothingMeansALotBrian sounded great on the album for FOTS, but on the tour he was seriously struggling. Are we forgetting the rehearsals?


    He sounded perfectly fine at the actual gigs. It's only the rehearsals that he sounds bad on. I have a ton of bootlegs from the Flick tour and he doesn't sound bad on any of them (except the rehearsals).
    Yeah, the rehearsals are entertaining to watch, but Brian was clearly struggling to meet the pitch of the song. Then came this


    In what universe does Brian sound bad there. I get that that's ONE gig, and it also happens to be one they recorded, but was he truly struggling throughout many of the other shows? I'm not much of a bootleg listener, so I couldn't say.
  29.  
    Posted By: MyCubiclePenguinI get that that's ONE gig, and it also happens to be one they recorded, but was he truly struggling throughout many of the other shows? I'm not much of a bootleg listener, so I couldn't say.


    The answer is no. They recorded two other shows as well, Houston '83 and Largo '83. No problems on those either.






    And here's a pretty good audience recorded bootleg. He sounds fine here too.

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      AC/DC rock music: Thankass
    • Nov 4th 2019 edited
     
    I always think Houston is better than Detroit. On the last one Brian is struggling more imo.

    Btw: Houston had one of the best BBB versions recorded on film. I wonder if the American director ever noticed Dildo Gate. I think not. Otherwise Brian would have been neglected for the last 2 minutes..



    EDIT: overlooked that post from penguin
  30.  
    Tons of great gigs from the Flick era, in fact he was sounding good in '84 too.
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      AC/DC rock music: Grim177
    • Nov 4th 2019
     
    Of the available pro shots, I still enjoy the Detroit show the most.

    A great shame they replaced the GFH audio on Plug Me In though.
  31.  
    For me, the biggest change in Brian's voice came between Blow and Razors Edge. That said, he went from a whiskey drinkin', street fighint' Mickey Mouse on For Those to Donald Duck on TRE.

    Coincidentally, I feel the lyrics took the biggest hit on that album and so did the over all writing... Related? Maybe the band, overall, just lost the edge, no pun intended, they had in their youth.

    And before the hammer smashes me out of here for the Disney comment I say that with love (at least the Mickey part) as Brian is my fave vocalist and front person ever.
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      AC/DC rock music: Inferno
    • Nov 4th 2019
     
    Stellar tune, properly recorded.

  32.  
    Posted By: Bedlam_in_TorontoFor me, the biggest change in Brian's voice came between Blow and Razors Edge. That said, he went from a whiskey drinkin', street fighint' Mickey Mouse on For Those to Donald Duck on TRE.

    Coincidentally, I feel the lyrics took the biggest hit on that album and so did the over all writing... Related? Maybe the band, overall, just lost the edge, no pun intended, they had in their youth.

    And before the hammer smashes me out of here for the Disney comment I say that with love (at least the Mickey part) as Brian is my fave vocalist and front person ever.


    You should’ve been around during the Disney on Black Ice era.
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      AC/DC rock music: Inferno
    • Nov 4th 2019 edited
     
    Posted By: Whomadewho80I know we have beaten the production topic to death, but I do have a question. It seems that Angus and Malcolm were always particular about the sound, guitar tone on the albums. So if they paid that kind of attention to the details of albums, why would they let the poor production slide on two straight albums? They had access to all the technology in the world and all the money to get the best production available. So why release two potentially great albums with such a poor sound? Surely they could hear what we all do.


    I have no idea, but please, please, please Angus release "Back On The Wall" in 2025. Start working on it right now. Get your best people.


  33.  
    Fucking great picture right there^

    There’s no way in hell that the band will re-produce a record like that (the only thing they’ll ever go back and even possibly rerelease would be BIB, and I suppose we’ll see if even THAT’S true). However, I’m curious about the possibility of the unmastered tapes being released in the future that would allow for people to make their own productions. By future, I’m talking decades down the line, cause even the Beatles haven’t done such a thing to my knowledge. I would think that something like that would only happen for historical reasons, such as when their music is made public domain near the end of this century when probably all of us won’t be able to fucking hear it. That, or nobody will give a shit.